Pixar confusion

[#1DisneyFreak]

Ok, so I've been reading a lot of posting on the DCA expansion, and Toy Story Mania and Carsland etc on VF...

I wonder; almost everyone loves Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters... I've heard rave reviews of Toy Story Mania... Yet, I always read that people are tired of Pixar "taking over the parks". The best one yet was someone who was talking about how horrible the Pixar stuff is, and yet their picture was them on BLAB haha.
Pixar and Disney are one now. Disney adopted a new baby and it's a genius in my opinon! They would be dumb not to add Pixar elements to the parks considering how popular the movies have been. So I guess my question is, why the hostility? What is it about Pixar that is making us so resentful of the fact that they are moving into the park and creating rides themed to the movies?

Tell my why you love or hate the fact that they are a major pressence.

[ryguy222]

All of the pixar attractions are great, my least favorite is FN:SV because it was kinda corny, and also because there is always a long line, and that's not even worth it.

I think the reason people are so upset is because there hasn't been any original rides going up around Disney. Anything new in the past few years has been Pixar. I agree it is good to incorporate movies into rides at Disneyland, but some of the best rides were original to Disney.
For Example.

POTC- the movie was based off the ride, so it was an original story created for the park.

HM- again the Movie was based off the ride, only wasn't as good. The story was created purely for Disneyland

Space Mountain- thankfully it has no movie yet, but everyone loves it.

Matterhorn - same thing, no movie, created exclusively for a Disney Park.

Splash Mountain- it was kinda based off a movie, but not too many people have actually seen it.

BTMRR- no movie, created for the park, not much of a story, but good enough.

It's a Small world- so some people hate it, but its still very popular none the less.

Jungle Cruise- a classic, that may get a movie, but its still created for the park.

All of those rides are among the most popular at the park. Reason why? Because the story can only be seen in a Disney Park. When rides are based off of movies, people already know the story, they know the characters, its supposed to be a new attraction, yet it doesn't seem all that new to them. People are expecting a new story, something new in every different way.
All those new pixar attractions could be something that Disney created exclusively for parks. People like new stories and so do I.

Don't get me wrong, Pixar movies, and rides are great, and I like all of them, but it would be nicer for the Imagineers to create a whole new story rather than taking the story's right out of a movie. It is important to have Disney movies in a the parks, but I think too that they also need to continue to bring in original attractions, like Space Mountain, or even Soarin' (speaking of soarin, i forgot to mention all the DCA rides) As for DCA, the entire park opened with only one pixar attraction, bugs life. Right now there's Monsters Inc, its tough to be a bug, Bugs land, TSM, and Turtle Talk with crush. And when the hyperion gets a new show within a few years, its probably going to be a pixar show, then there's also going to be Cars land.

All of that stuff going on at DCA, all the new stuff is PIXAR! Monsters Inc, Bugsland, Carsland, TSM its all pixar.

Not counting the new things at DCA, Disney has only gotten in Pixar Rides for the past 10 years. Thats a lot of pixar.

So I think people are so upset because anything new that comes into DLR is pixar. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all new attractions in the past year (again not counting DCA rides) have been pixar.

[#1DisneyFreak]

I see your point. I miss them coming up with new stuff just for the parks as well, but so far I've liked all the pixar they have brought in. I think it's been a nice blend. So far the non pixar still outweighs the pixar. Lots of people seem to only view the here and now and not the overall picture. If they have 10 Pixar attractions, they still have way more Disney ones. Who knows, maybe park #3 should be all pixar and Disneyland and DCA can just move their rides there haha.

[ryguy222]

Yes I know original outweighs pixar, but people are just getting tired of having pixar be the only new things. (Exception of Pirates Lair which everyone hates anyway ) People just want to see newer stuff in Disney that isn't Pixar. I think in these last ten years they should have released something that is non-movie.

[Kamra]

Originally Posted by ryguy222

Matterhorn - same thing, no movie, created exclusively for a Disney Park.

The Matterhorn is based from a live action movie by Disney called Third Man on the Mountain (1959)

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Originally Posted by Kamra

The Matterhorn is based from a live action movie by Disney called Third Man on the Mountain (1959)

Um, Matterhorn Bobsleds is simply a bobsled run down a mountain dodging monsters & has zero trademarked images from that movie. It may have planted the seed in Walt's mind that it might be cool to have a Matterhorn in Disneyland, but there's a big difference between that and a fully movie-based theme as seen with BLAB, Indy, etc.

-- PMM

[Space Mountain]

I think people need to realize that the modern day is movie based. Sorry..

-SPACE

[Disney_Guy]

I think it's not the fact that some of these rides are Pixar, but because few of them just haven't had the power to completely blow us away in amazement like older rides have been able to pull off. The idea of a Pixar attraction is a budgeted attraction with limited enjoyability, and just doesn't spark the magic that even other movie/television rides have been able to do (Indiana Jones, Tower of Terror).
So in my opinion, the idea of a Pixar ride has been just a quick and easy way to make money, because everyone loves Pixar - right?
I think Toy Story Mania has shown that there can indeed be quality Pixar attractions, and maybe, just maybe, Imagineering has been slacking all along.
Maybe if they can get back on track with creating quality attractions that anyone can enjoy and be blown away with, maybe the bad image Pixar has been creating at the parks all these years will slowly fade away.

[ryguy222]

^Good statement. I agree.
The attractions are all great, but so far it seems TSM is the only good pixar attraction. Idk because I haven't been on it. But there are a few hundred imagineer's always thinking of new attractions. They probably turn out hundreds per year. And they have some great stories I imagine. However, its not their decision what gets built and what doesn't. Its the board of directors. And I'm thinking everything gets a no stamp, unless it involves a movie tie in. Oh the misery!

[ash 75]

i think that there is nothing wrong with the new pixar atrractions at disney parks.
walt said that disneyland will never be completed and as of right now this is what the studios is making as of movies, good movies at that. why not turn our favorite disney movies into disney attractions??
there is nothing wrong with buzz lightyear i love interacting with the attraction and i love trying to beat my boyfriend on the ride it is fun.
TSM is good too it is similar to buzz but the effects are awesome!!!!
tutrle talk to fun, it is always different and entertaining.

pixar is what disney is at the moment.
they make good movies why not make them attractions.

its easier to make a ride out of the pixar movies than the other good disney movies
like y9ou cant make a ride on less successful home on the range, or more successful beauty and the beast, 101 dalmations, or Hunchback.

Sorry Pixar makes money, if youwant people to keep coming back to the parks you have to keep some old update some new and put new ones in. its the only way to keep people coming back.

[ManofSteel57]

I agree with some of points made in the above posts. I agree that alot of the non-movie themed rides are awesome in their own right and they have their own backstory as well as story that serves their purpose to entertain. The thing is, is that Pixar is the current giant of animation that Walt Disney Studios was in in it's day. The new Pixar movies are the current animated "Disney" movies we grew up with; they are familiar with today's audiences.
When Disneyland opened in 1955, Walt's favorite area was Fantasyland, due to his movies coming to life in the dark rides. That's what the current administration is doing with rides like Monster's, INC and FN:SV, is doing what Walt enjoyed doing: bringing the audience into the movie. Right now the only "bankable" Disney movies are from Pixar.
Walt Disney said that Disneyland would never be complete, and to keep to his dream they have update to today's audience. The whole idea of plussing an attraction comes from Walt hearing that a family not wanting to ride JC because they already had. Another thing is that there are Disneyland traditonalists that get upset when Disneyland plusses anything, like POTC and Small World. People threw a fit when they wanted to theme the Subs to Atlantis: The Lost Empire,(cause it tanked) so the lagoon remained empty until the upper management in WED decided to turn it into Nemo. Since then I have never seen the line shorter than 45 minutes......so apparantly WED knows its stuff

[PeoplemoverMatt]

Bottom line is people don't want a dumbed-down ride experience compared to existing rides. Since most new rides have Pixar themes and most new rides provide dumbed-down experiences, it's easy to put 2 and 2 together, and blame Pixar.

However, real stinkers like Superstar Limo & Golden Dreams show that it's not the brand, but the content that deserves the evaluation and subsequent praise/criticism. These days people like attractions that deliver great experiences. People don't want a cheap experience, they don't want an over-processed experience, they want a great experience, regardless of movie-based or not. There's no guarantee movie-based or original will deliver a good/bad experience. It's all about what the powers that be allow it to become. That's what will really matter in the long run.

-- PMM

[Neo]

Every Idea comes from somewhere and in this age where everyone is watching more and more movies and more and more movies being made each year its easy to see many things will be based after them... Isn't all of fantasy land based after books? There is no such thing as an original idea... it always has to be inspired by something, even if the inspiration is completely unrelated.

[BGW4SC]

I am so glad this thread was started because I have often been confused by the attitude towards the Pixar attraction at the Disneyland Resort. In my opinion Pixar is just today's evil influence that Walt supposedly wouldn't approve of; a villian du jour if you will. Has everyone forgotten how George Lucas was going to ruin the Disney Parks forever when they added Star Tours to Tomorrowland? Or how Walt would be turning over in his frozen grave beneath Space Mountain because there might be Muppets along side Mickey Mouse during a Main Street parade?

Don't get me wrong, I would prefer original stories to theme the rides just like everyone else. As others have pointed out, Pirates of the Caribbean is a perfect example of Disney Imagineering at its best. And while it isn't as obvious in California, if you look at the other Disney Parks around the world there is still plenty of original thought creating attractions that would make Walt proud.

I think the thing that everyone is forgetting is that business school buzz word from the 90's that helped save the Walt Disney Company. That word is "SYNERGY" (defined - The interaction of elements that when combined produce a total affect that is greater than the sum of the individual contributions.). Michael Eisner grasped this concept and ran with it and whether you like it or not it is here to stay. Make a movie, merchandise it to death, create a theme park attraction around it, sell straight to video sequals on DVD and you end up with a mountain of money. Pixar movies are hot and they show no sign of slowing down. Disney will exploit that fact as long as possible.

Unfortunately, DCA has really suffered from financial politics since they broke ground. The original plans for DCA would have blown most other Diney Parks out of the water. For example, the Tower of Terror was originally going to be in the Paradise Pier Hotel. If you think having a hotel inside a theme park (i.e., the Grand Californian) is cool, imagine a real hotel inside of an attraction! Unfortunately, the price tag was far too high for the original plan and the economy was beginning to turn for the worse when the current DCA plan was approved. Keep in mind that the cost of removing the old parking lot and parts of the Disneyland Hotel exceeded the original cost of the entire Disneyland park. Disney couldn't justify building their smallest yet at the same time most expensive theme park ever. Personally, I don't think it is right to blame Pixar movies for all of the poor decisions Disney has made from day one regarding DCA. If the new expansion includes a lot of quality rides with Pixar themes I'll take it over what we have now. Who wouldn't be excited about a thrill ride using the Test Track ride platform even if it is themed to Cars. I just hope it works better than the first time they tried it when it was called Rocket Rods.

[Disneyknight467]

I have no problem really with pixar attractions, its just the attractions that are taking away from the past enjoyment of a ride. Like Finding Nemo submarine Voyage took out alot of the original stuff, like mermaids and monster attack and replaced it with cameos that can only be seen for literally a second, and mime explosions and stuff. Then you have the upcoming Luigi attraction for Carsland which will use I guess a new system of the Flying Saucers, which is kinda strange seeing car tires just sliding around. It just isn't making things good to the originals,

I'm kinda glad they scrapped the Incredibles People Mover idea too, because I don't wanna see "IncrediPods" or whatever instead of what we all remember as "The Peoplemover". It just takes the original magic away IMHO.

So what I want is for Disney to throw in a little pixar here and there, but don't outnumber Pixar attractions with original Disney attractions.